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Chicken Systems Translator for Fusion

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So I'm wondering just how well Chicken Systems Translator or Creator works for the Fusion.

A while back I wandered into a Sam Ash music store and there on the clearance table was a sample set marked down 99%. So I picked up the $1000 Vienna Symphonic Opus 1 set for $10! :-) That's 25 Gigs and 45,000 samples. Many of these monster ESX24/Gigasample instruments are too large for the Fusion, but many would fit. I'd love to use some of these amazing instruments in the Fusion.

I could get just Fusion Creator but I also have the Independence sampler with Samplitude Pro X3. So any advice would be appreciated.

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2ManyKeys wrote:So I'm wondering just how well Chicken Systems Translator or Creator works for the Fusion.
I think Jesse has Translator . . . .

The original Fusion CONVERTER, does work - in as much as I made a bank for the Fusion from my own samples. It was rather simple however - a series of one-shot vocal "phrases" I wanted to trigger via the keyboard at appropriate moments.

So there was no complications of pitch spread across the keyboard etc. They were simply allocated to a series of WHITE keys, in the correct order - for convenience . . .

After a couple of years of nagging, CS finally did produce Fusion CREATOR, and a number of us got advance copies to evaluate.

The <AutoSample> feature promised (That I was particularly interested in) had gaping omissions from the UI, and after two incremental updates failed to address the issue, I lost interest in pursuing it.

MAYBE - it will work for what YOU want to do, I cannot say . . . . :?

The documentation too, for the Fusion version STILL (last time I looked) contains numerous references to the KORG Creator - which remain uncorrected, and I rather took this to mean that the impetus had evaporated to complete the product.

CS's declaration that the SamplerZone forum was a "waste of time" was born out by the lack of response to user queries in there. I still disagree with that stance. The forum is precisely the place where users can SEE what problems Other users are having.

The bug report route simply HIDES the problems from the User base . . . (IMO).

A shame, but there it is . . . :roll:
2ManyKeys wrote:A while back I wandered into a Sam Ash music store and there on the clearance table was a sample set marked down 99%. So I picked up the $1000 Vienna Symphonic Opus 1 set for $10! :-) That's 25 Gigs and 45,000 samples. Many of these monster ESX24/Gigasample instruments are too large for the Fusion, but many would fit. I'd love to use some of these amazing instruments in the Fusion.
Sounds like a great bargain. Sadly, making them Fusion-ready remains a problem. . . . .

(Unless anyone knows better?)
2ManyKeys wrote:I could get just Fusion Creator but I also have the Independence sampler with Samplitude Pro X3. So any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott
I'm not familiar with Independence or Samplitude, so cannot say if it might work.

I have Kontakt5 (full version) which declares itself to be the Pro Sampling package to have.

I have not pursued whether or not it can make Banks for the Fusion - as my current endeavors are about composition, at least for the time being . . .

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Translator is able to convert from Gigasample and ESX24 to Independence format so it should work. Some of these Opus 1 instruments are very complex multisample arrangements so I'm wondering how well Translator will work. Time to read web reviews I guess.
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If you are going with ChickenSys Software and you have multiple keyboards and/or multiple formats Translator Pro is your best bet unless all you want to do is convert to Fusions or a Specific keyboards format, Creator versions are just Interfaces for various keyboards based on Translator Functions, at least that is my opinion.

How about it Garth, what do you have to say on this subject?

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That sounds about right.
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2ManyKeys wrote:So I'm wondering just how well Chicken Systems Translator or Creator works for the Fusion
The answer re Creator is - not very well. It is still not very polished (references to other synths in install screen etc.) and although I must give credit to Garth for labouring mightily on it it is not able to handle the quirks of the Fusion well at all. If you have regular, well ordered banks and programs it functions well enough but the minute you throw a bank which has programs containing multi-samples/samples from another bank (the Preset5HD bank is an example) it will just crash. It would not be so bad if it would just warn you of that fact and continue gracefully but it doesn't. Since this doesn't seem to be likely to be ever fixed this is not to be recommended.
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Re: Chicken Systems Translator for Fusion

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jima wrote:The answer re Creator is - not very well. It is still not very polished (references to other synths in install screen etc.)
I have to admit that, although we love criticism, we (not just me here) grow weary of critics, especially poor ones, or ones that think they know something about how the company is developing a product or what their plans for it is, etc.

The critique above is one example (several to follow)... Jim is referring to text (that doesn't exist anymore) that appeared in the Update screen, that is produced NOT BY FUSION CREATOR but by our web server. This doesn't affect any functionality - is it really worthwhile to mention it (especially since it was corrected awhile ago), and really, how does that affect the functionality of the product? It's like critiquing Einstein for spelling errors. C'mon.
jima wrote:although I must give credit to Garth for laboring mightily on it
I programmed only 50% of it, and to be honest, I (nor Roger) didn't labor mightily on it =). I'm sort of kidding, but there isn't too many Fusion's out there so we aren't under the gun about it. Further, lots of code was already done in past efforts so we had a lot to reuse, in contrast to the Korg Kronos, where we had to do things from scratch.
jima wrote:it is not able to handle the quirks of the Fusion well at all. If you have regular, well ordered banks and programs it functions well enough but the minute you throw a bank which has programs containing multi-samples/samples from another bank (the Preset5HD bank is an example) it will just crash.
This was corrected last build. If you are who I think you are, I personally explained to you this at length. So far, over 4 years of existence, you are the only one to mention this, and in my correspondence to you in early March I explained everything.
jima wrote:It would not be so bad if it would just warn you of that fact and continue gracefully but it doesn't.
Well, see above, it was addressed and fixed in 1.2 b46. I don't show record of you getting this update, perhaps before you critique in public please check your facts. Information lasts FOREVER on the Internet (thank Google for their search algorithms) so when you post incomplete or inaccurate or speculative information, it's actually a pretty big deal - especially when we aren't informed about it and we have no way of publicly correcting it.

We get - since we have been in the business for over 30 years - people who eventually communicate with us, and say "I was going to get this software, but I read on the Internet..." and pretty much all that information is false. We have to correct it, and the person feels embarrassed that they even believed what they read.
jima wrote:Since this doesn't seem to be likely to be ever fixed this is not to be recommended.
With what information have you made this speculation? This is our communication with you on March 3rd:
We'll do some figuring out of this - mostly in that the Creator framework that serves Motif, Korg, Fantom, and Kurzweil doesn't support 3-4 sets of Banks. We might initially make sure Fusion Creator only references same-banked Multisamples and ignores everything else. Then we may go forward and support the separations. I'll let you know, and if you don't hear back, feel free to email a reminder.
To be clear, we DID fix any crashing because of "separated elements" probably a week from this March 3rd email. (We do not tolerate ANY crashing.) As far as fully supporting cross-Bank elements, we actually HAVE worked on it, but Jim elected to make a public statement before he asks us.

(Remember that Fusion Creator is a CREATOR. Editing existing Volumes/Banks is nice but it's not the primary goal. You can easily create a Volume on your own, then merge it into your own Volume.)

Last thing I'll emphasize: if one person has a issue or a request, we pay attention to it, but on discontinued products and one person and if it takes time, it's harder to accomplish. Conversely, if we get lots of people banging on our door about something, we'll do anything. This was just you. Unless there's others, and we are happy to address that as well.

To be constructive - JIM: I asked you to remind us, or get back to us if you were interested - please do. We appreciate you bringing it to our attention, and apparently this is still important to you. So contact us - although we bit here, we don't bite normally. =)
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