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Was studying posts in the older Fusioneer group-I recommend this to any Fusion newbie like me-you can study the earliest history-see how this user group managed to salvage and expand on the earliest Fusioneers, and how much work was done when the Fusion was first released,

Came across a post that suggested this idea to me-although it did not really describe how it might be done. And since I try difficult, frustrating and almost impossible things (look at how I've just restored 2 non-working 8HD's)-thinking out loud if it's possible to create a mix with several (or more) layers, and gradually "morph" each sound in and out with the mod wheel. A type of cross-fading in a sense-but doing this with only the mod wheel. Similar to the old Ensoniq TS synths that could create a 'wavetable' type of sound but with pre-programmed time lapses between sound changes, i'd worked with those quite a bit. Or more accurately-like the Korg Wavestation. And I owned a Yamaha TG33 and SY35 that could also perform this type of function-with an x-y joystick that would gradually blend in one of 4 distinct sounds. Limited application-many sounds are only recognizable by their attack and not necessarily by the sustain envelope sound-I know this can be done by programming a sound with several different oscillators, with velocity switching-I'm sure many of the evolving sounds in the Fusion are already doing this based upon what I'm hearing-but curious if this might be done with modulation routings to the mod wheel. One example might be to program a simple sine wave to a pulse wave to some FM sound, a sample etc. and then be able to bring these in and out gradually with the mod wheel. I know I should have better simpler things to be concerned about-and I do, why i do this instead!!!! :roll:
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You have found the Modulation Matrix to be one of the most important sections of the Fusion. Yes, this Mod Wheel idea is good for this volume morphing. I myself prefer to use the 4 realtime control knobs for this, as I keep the overview better when I always set their assignments identically. So OSC2 Volume for Knob 2, OSC 3 for Knob 3 and so on. The advantage is that I can assign the Progams in the Mix to different MIDID channels and then record this controller data in an extra track in the DAW. In case of errors and not so successful "modulation drives" you can then do that as often as you want without disturbing the recording of the actual notes tracks.

For your morphing ideas, you might also be successful with the Table Section in the Modulation Matrix. Tables are largely unappreciated by most Fusion owners, they are an evolution of the Alesis QS series tracking generator and I haven't done much with the Fusion tables either. There is still a lot of unexplored potential there.
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KPR-so glad you are responding to my post-I was hoping you might, given your knowledgable contributions to the Fusion and sound development in general.

Yes the control knobs-I can practice setting up some morphing type sounds with your strategy using the knobs-and might be able to "suss out" how to remap these type of modulation controls to the the mod wheel. I would need 2 hands on 4 separate knobs to bring 4 distinct tones or programs in and out and then record these. The mod wheel idea caught me as by varying positions with the wheel-with one hand-I might be able to bring in or blend 1-4 layers of sounds, oscillators or even entire mixes!!

I will need to study and practice my programming skills with the modulation routing schemes. And furthering this idea-and given how many voices the Fusion can play live-I wonder (again brain going haywire) if it is possible to create-one program with several distinctly different oscillator sounds, then another or even another (!!!) create a mix with these separtae sound programs-and somehow use the mod wheel to morph through this group of sounds in a mix! This is just thinking out loud, but the more i learn about modulations-and thinking using the old patch cord analogy-I will see what I come up with. I know modulation schemes can be a part of a distinct program-I haven't done any work seeing if modulation schemes can be programmed into a mix-I'll have to experiment around some more. If i come up with something interesting and successful-I will upload it here.
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I am studying the QS manual re tracking generator-hmmm....does the Fusion have this function? I guess I'll have to dig into the editing controls. From its description-this does sound similar to what the Ensoniqs could do-set points in time or with an LFO-to shift from one wave or sound to another-or blend and shift them over time almost what early computer synthesists might call "granular" synthesis. So we might say-the Fusion, if I work/prgram this properly with the tracking genrator function, or even with other modulation schemes-might also be capable of "granular" synthesis. Wow.
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Correction to my earlier post

"Granular" synthesis combines several different distinct timbres over time, but at a faster rate than vector or wave sequencing-the theory being that although one will not "hear" the timbre changes distinctly as one would with vector synthesis-the timbre will subtly change, and create an entirely different timbre-almost a "phase shifting" type of concept-except that instead of shifting he timing of the same timbre and overlapping these same tones-granular apparently shifts different tones, this way in order to create a sound that will be different than the individual tones that make it up. Similar to layering several different tones, but quickly "phasing" through these tones. There are virtual granular synth software programs I've found on the windows platform if anyone is interested in experimenting with the concept of granular synthesis. The effect is rather subtle compared to simply layering several different tones but I hear a difference. To simulate this with the fusion-I think one would have to program several different amp envelopes each with a distinctly different sound that would have different attack and release times, but in such a way as to blend the sounds quickly enough as to not hear a more gradual morphing or wave-sequencing effect.
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