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from pc to my 6hd transfer

Post by africuervo »

hi everybody :)

please i need some help .

i have a list of songs on my pc (songs.wave) and i would like to transfer one by one to my 6hd , so latter i can play those songs from my F6hd.
is that posible?
do i need to download a software on my pc to convert the file(wave) on to other fine that my 6hd could read ??

i have been trying for the last 2 weeks already but have not clue .

please please some advise

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Re: from pc to my 6hd transfer

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Hi <africuervo> and welcome to the forums . . . .

Probably, the easiest way to do this is:

Create a new song on the Fusion.

Rename it to the title of the song you want to use . . . . .

I think by default, it creates ONE midi track with Holy Grail Piano . . . .

Create TWO AUDIO tracks - remember, Fusion Audio tracks are MONO and are 44.1kHz 24bit

If you want the Fusion to play in STEREO you need to SPLIT your original audio to left and right AND convert to 44.1/24bit)
Name them <songtitle> L and <songtitle> R - so you know which is which.

copy these to a CF card and insert it in the Fusion.

SOMEWHERE in the <SONG> or <EDIT> menus is the option to import audio to track . . . .

Select each track, browse to the CF card and import the audio - (suggest Track 2 LEFT and Track 3 RIGHT) (Track 1 is the Holy Grail . . )

You can probably delete the Holy Grail track at this point, if you don't want it.

Save the Song, and it should play . . . .

You do have the option to add tracks and play/record along with the Audio if you wish . . . .

Once you have AUDIO in a song . . . . DON'T alter the tempo of the song. The Fusion CANNOT pitch adjust and stretch audio to suit . . . . . :wink:

:idea: BTW - this is quite a good method if you want to record your own "Cover" of a song.

Use the Audio Tracks as the "guide" track while you add your own Bass/Piano/Strings whatever, then just MUTE the audios to see how you are doing - and eventually delete them when you are done . . . . :idea:

Hope that helps

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Re: from pc to my 6hd transfer

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Hi paramedic

Wowwww thank you so much , so much I didn't know :)
Will try it on
Hope I can get back to you in case got lost in some of the proses .

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Yes indeed, I'll help where I can . . . . as I'm sure others in here will . . . .

The Fusion is very capable and full-featured, but with that comes complexity . . . .

There is no better way of finding out how it works, than by using it :lol:

You will gradually become familiar with how it does things.

Sure, it has it's quirks and strange ways, but it IS a WORKSTATION - and it's possible to do a project from start to finish on it.

Much depends on HOW you have been used to working. It is possible (for instance) to minutely edit both audio and midi data within the sequencer - but I find it fiddly to do - so I try to avoid having to do so, by playing the stuff in CORRECTLY in the first place :lol:

Much also depends on the STYLE of Music you make. If dance, or similar, then you will probably utilise the LOOPING and copy/paste, quantisation features extensively . . . .

When you make changes in SONG mode - DO <SAVE> each time with an incremented name <Song1, Song2 etc.> So you can go back if you need/want to. STORAGE is NOT a problem with the Fusion's HD . . . . .

I don't work in that style and so my stuff needs to be played in end to end, as I don't use looping, quantisation or (generally) copy/paste.

Alternatively, you can of course EXPORT both the midi and audio you have made into a DAW of your choice, and continue in there - which is what I do . .

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parametric wrote:SOMEWHERE in the <SONG> or <EDIT> menus is the option to import audio to track . . . .
It seems it cannot import from the CF card, or am I missing something?

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yet the Fusion knows the card:

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Hmm.

Kinda strange. I can't think WHY it wouldn't allow use of a CF if there was one inserted?

Nevertheless, the HowTo is in here:
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It just uses the HD instead . . . .

I've not personally used the described method, but I DID need to split an audio "recitation" into sentences for use in a track, but I used the Fusion Converter to make them into a BANK containing them all in a single PROGRAM, with each "sentence" triggered by a range of white notes (for simplicity).

A new midi track was then added to the Song, and the single program from the BANK I had made was loaded.
I then simply "recorded" the sentences in (in order) to generate the "performance" suitably "in-time" to the backing tracks . . .

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Old topic, but I can verify that the Fusion does not allow sample import to audio tracks from the CF card, only the HD.

That would have been convenient. Oh well, not a big deal though.
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I just read through that document I mentioned, and I see no reason why the Fusion should object to .wav files

coming from the CF Card.

In the document, the CF card was not inserted - so did not show in the dialog . . . .

Only caveat is that the .wav must be 44.1KHz 24bit MONO to import in <Song> mode . . . .

Give it a try and let us know :pray:

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I'm facing this same issue about importing samples. Is there any specific folder within the Fusion folder structure where the samples from outer sources should be placed? There are the "Samples" and "Multisamples" folders. Should I use them or can I create a new folder in the root? And lastly is Fusion able to handle mp3 files? Or should I convert them to .wav?

Thank you in advance.
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"Samples" in the context of those samples that will be used to create a playable "program"-must be converted from a .wav sample in your computer to the "proprietary" .afi sample file which the fusion uses as n internal sample-and this process is completed by using the chicken systems converter available here for download, or the full Chicken Systems Translator which must be purchased from that company. I use the free converter. Once the afi is converted-that is the sample that will be used to create a "multisample' which i have done internally with the Fusion's multisample editor once all my "samples" in .afi format are in a specific samples folder. Without going further, if you are not familiar with the process of turning your .wav samples into an .afi, and then creating a multisample from those, there is extensive documentation here already and the user manual describes how that us done. You need to be very familiar with the entire file structure the Fusion is designed around for creating a complete playable "program" from individual samples into a multisample and then a program and is one of in my opinion, the trickier work processes you need to know if you want to assemble your own playable programs from individual samples-and in turn assembled into a multisample. Multisamples, once assembled must be in a separate folder from the individual samples that have been converted from .wav samples in your computer. Again, without going into details, you must know how to create/build individual folders to do all this, based upon the design architecture of the Fusion and its hard/CF card drives.

Keep in mind, this process is completely different from the process of importing .wav files as playable audio tracks in the song sequencer/recorder/player.

Wav. files imported into the song sequencer's audio tracks also use their own "proprietary" format-converted to a playable format internally for the Fusion. This is also documented here and in the user guide, i won't get into the difference, most of which Parametric has already described. The 2 filetypes are completely different at least as far as the Fusion is concerned-are not interchangeable-at least not from within the Fusion, without some more advanced patch cabling! you can for example-record your finished "samples" program placed in the sequencer tracks as an individual program-into the audio recorder tracks-poke around here to see how that is done. and if you still have the factory "songs" that came with the Fusion-by connecting the Fusion to your computer to see your hard drive contents, you can go to the "songs" folder and see what these tracks look like-and are not .wav files, strictly speaking. well, at least, not anymore!
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Or if it is a wav file with the proper specs that parametric gave earlier"Only caveat is that the .wav must be 44.1KHz 24bit MONO" you should be able to change the .wav to .afs (alesis fusion sample) and be good to go once they are in your sample folder that you create in the Volume/Samples/My samples, I might be wrong, but i believe that will work as far as making a .wav a Fusion Sample :)
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Thank you so much for the detailed reply. Before asking I tried to find some info from the physical manual, but maybe missed it. I am mostly interested in just importing simple sample into an audio track or only using one individual sample in the sampler in the same manner as you use drum samples in
a traditional sampler or like some effect type of vocal samples you can trigger from the keyboard and only set the sustain and attack times etc. without mapping them into a program with different zones etc.

And for Jesse, I thought I had the correct type of mono .wav, but they did not appear in the folder I created even after verifying them. But I must check it was 24bit and not 32bit. Audacity in Linux gives a bit unclear info of the file properties. I thought I saved it as 24bit, but still when I open it, apparently it show it's "32 bit". Or I misunderstood something.
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Deho....yes you can use one sample and play it without turning it into a program-I will check this today as i forgot exactly how to do that, not hard though. To save it as a playable "program" though-you have to construct a "multisample"-even if you use only one .wav sample-you would still have to define how many keys you want to assign it to. Then when you create a "program" using the program edit function-you have to assign the multisample to that, name it whatever you want, and now it is a "program". If I have time, I will post a step-by-step process if you need that.

as a rather unusual "experiment"-I imported an entire 3 minute arrangement from my Yamaha RM1X-one of the factory full-length compositions-imported it into the Fusion-and assigned it, as one sample (yes, with the memory expansion it worked) into a multisample and a program. Now, buy pressing one key-the entire arrangement will play. So you can take one sample only, and make a program with it-but it did have to be converted with the Chicken Systems converter from its original .wav file to the Fusion .afi sample file first. i could simply hve recorded this into the Fusion song recorder as a stereo audio file, but I like to push the limits of what the Fusion can do, and it did it.

I also use Audacity to record other music keyboards and modules into my computers for translation to .wav. And no, the Fusion will not play back .mp3 files in that format-but Audacity will convert .wav files to mp3's, or mp3's to .wav files.

For the best explanation I have found, download this-also look for Jesse's "Tutorial pack" which is downloadable around this user group somewhere.
This document...is courtesy of Jori Peeters. If you haven't looked this over, I recommend it, as it clearly explains the file and folder structure for the entire Fusion's architecture. Without this, i'd still be trying to find out where my precious "weaselfart" and nose-flute sample is stored.
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Thanks Jokeyman. Now I checked the .wav sample was 24 bit 44.1KHz mono, but still it was not recognized in the folder. It seems I must convert it. I will let you know if I need more help in creating the simple program. I understood I must use two mono samples and map them into different keys(ie. side by side) and then play them exactly the same time in order to get stereo output? Or make two mono tracks in audio recorder and then pan them right and left for stereo output. But does the import sample/audio file option appear in the menu only if Fusion will recognize there is something to import in the folder? I did not find any import option in the menus like EXer also noticed.
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I'm sure you HAVE to use the original Fusion Convertor program to do this . . . .

This converts the .wavs to the .afi files that the Fusion understands . . .

REMEMBER - there is no way BACK from the .afi files - so use a COPY . . . . . :think:

I did this for one of my songs . . . .

I wanted to "voice-over" a poem - so I made a .wav of each line, and used the FC to lay them across the keyboard -

- and created a <Bank> which I loaded to the Fusion's HD.

The Bank contained a single <Program> which was "The recitation" . . .

I loaded the program into the "song" and set it to <record> - and simply played the lines in one by one,

adjacent white notes L ▬►R and in-order - for simplicity

One-shot samples - that played to completion

Worked just fine . . . . FULL STORY HERE - If you have time :lol: https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/viewt ... 898#p63898

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